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Title: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: ShifuCareaga on May 22, 2017, 02:49:43 PM
So KY From Above isn't up yet, exactly, BUT... check out this release:
http://kygeonet.ky.gov/StoryMaps/KyFromAboveElevation/ (http://kygeonet.ky.gov/StoryMaps/KyFromAboveElevation/)

hint: click one of the #'s then zoom wherever you want!
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: RCKT_RCCN on May 23, 2017, 02:22:18 PM
I've been using this for a while now. It's a fantastic resource for identifying natural features such as waterfalls. However, the LiDAR data does not cover the entire state yet. A large swatch mainly over the DBNF is still to be completed.
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: ShifuCareaga on May 23, 2017, 07:41:57 PM
ask and ye shall receive, sometimes...

"Web Services:
http://kyraster.ky.gov/arcgis/rest/services/ElevationServices/Ky_DEM_KYAPED_5FT_MultiDirectionalHillshade/ImageServer
 (http://kyraster.ky.gov/arcgis/rest/services/ElevationServices/Ky_DEM_KYAPED_5FT_MultiDirectionalHillshade/ImageServer)
http://kyraster.ky.gov/arcgis/rest/services/ElevationServices/Ky_DEM_KYAPED_5FT_Hillshade/ImageServer
 (http://kyraster.ky.gov/arcgis/rest/services/ElevationServices/Ky_DEM_KYAPED_5FT_Hillshade/ImageServer)
http://kyraster.ky.gov/arcgis/rest/services/ElevationServices/Ky_DEM_KYAPED_5FT_WGS84WM/ImageServer
 (http://kyraster.ky.gov/arcgis/rest/services/ElevationServices/Ky_DEM_KYAPED_5FT_WGS84WM/ImageServer)
Downloadable Data:
DEM – http://kygisserver.ky.gov/geoportal/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7B3E846240-399F-431F-953C-434CE3B138D1%7D (http://kygisserver.ky.gov/geoportal/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7B3E846240-399F-431F-953C-434CE3B138D1%7D)
Point Cloud - http://kygisserver.ky.gov/geoportal/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7B25A72103-61BC-4175-BF89-A3B59CE2109D%7D (http://kygisserver.ky.gov/geoportal/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7B25A72103-61BC-4175-BF89-A3B59CE2109D%7D)
"

Don't ever say I gave y'all nothing :)
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: thedayhascome on December 05, 2017, 09:12:04 AM
Ky_DEM_KYAPED_5FT_WGS84WM/ImageServer

LiDAR mapping is going to be very promising in locating hidden treasures. News and the survey report from KyFromAbove [http://kygeonet.ky.gov/kyfromabove/ (http://kygeonet.ky.gov/kyfromabove/)] state that they have completed the 2017 mapping acquisition and Kentucky now has statewide coverage of LiDAR-based, high-resolution elevation data. Processing the data is underway and final delivery is scheduled for late Fall, so hopefully very soon.

You can see all of collection data points within DBNF, via this report: (warning, it's large) http://kygeonet.ky.gov/kyfromabove/pdfs/2017%20KY%20Statewide%20control_Report_PSI.pdf  (http://kygeonet.ky.gov/kyfromabove/pdfs/2017%20KY%20Statewide%20control_Report_PSI.pdf)

Will be sure to update this post as soon as the data is available.

Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: RCKT_RCCN on December 05, 2017, 01:46:31 PM

LiDAR mapping is going to be very promising in locating hidden treasures. News and the survey report from KyFromAbove [http://kygeonet.ky.gov/kyfromabove/ (http://kygeonet.ky.gov/kyfromabove/)] state that they have completed the 2017 mapping acquisition and Kentucky now has statewide coverage of LiDAR-based, high-resolution elevation data. Processing the data is underway and final delivery is scheduled for late Fall, so hopefully very soon.

You can see all of collection data points within DBNF, via this report: (warning, it's large) http://kygeonet.ky.gov/kyfromabove/pdfs/2017%20KY%20Statewide%20control_Report_PSI.pdf  (http://kygeonet.ky.gov/kyfromabove/pdfs/2017%20KY%20Statewide%20control_Report_PSI.pdf)

Will be sure to update this post as soon as the data is available.



It's been a game-changer for me, and I know that as more people figure out how to use it the hunt for hidden treasures will be blown wide open. It's definitely a catch-22. I want all the infos for myself, but don't want others to have that same knowledge... I must find all the waterfalls first!!  :P

That's one thing I love about this site, you guys and gals bring me down a notch or two with the depth of your knowledge and travels. I may think I know a thing or two, but y'all know more!
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: ShifuCareaga on December 05, 2017, 04:33:23 PM
This is so crazy I was JUST on this thread last night to open the links and was so disappointed for no update yet. Thanks for that, it really made me happy to get an answer to my need.
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: RCKT_RCCN on February 01, 2018, 11:31:57 AM
Ky_DEM_KYAPED_5FT_WGS84WM/ImageServer

LiDAR mapping is going to be very promising in locating hidden treasures. News and the survey report from KyFromAbove [http://kygeonet.ky.gov/kyfromabove/ (http://kygeonet.ky.gov/kyfromabove/)] state that they have completed the 2017 mapping acquisition and Kentucky now has statewide coverage of LiDAR-based, high-resolution elevation data. Processing the data is underway and final delivery is scheduled for late Fall, so hopefully very soon.

You can see all of collection data points within DBNF, via this report: (warning, it's large) http://kygeonet.ky.gov/kyfromabove/pdfs/2017%20KY%20Statewide%20control_Report_PSI.pdf  (http://kygeonet.ky.gov/kyfromabove/pdfs/2017%20KY%20Statewide%20control_Report_PSI.pdf)

Will be sure to update this post as soon as the data is available.



I regret what I'm about to do...it was only a matter of time so I want to get out in front of it to offer caution. The curtain has been pulled back, the gorge has been defrocked. The lidar for the entire state is live now, if you know where to find it. I've seen it, and I can't unsee it now. There is no more mystery. Every boulder, every cliff, every waterfall - yours if you have a discerning eye.

Use this new-found power wisely, children. Eat of the fruit if you must, but know that it won't satisfy. Not like the good ole' days of reading contours and guessing at wonders to go find with your boots and your wits. We can never go back.
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: Bazinga on February 01, 2018, 07:55:26 PM
Not like the good ole' days of reading contours and guessing at wonders to go find with your boots and your wits. We can never go back.

I'm directional dyslexic, couldn't find my way out of a paper bag.   :laugh: LOL!!
But hubby is awesome!!!  When we started hunting/exploring it was with a map and compass.  Kinda miss the The good ole days.  :-\
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: thedayhascome on February 01, 2018, 09:50:31 PM
I regret what I'm about to do..

Oh man, oh man, oh man. You can literally see every old logging road, even if it's barely noticeable now. Amazing. I have already looked at the prime spots I had previously marked assuming something might be hidden there. Need to get out on the trail soon.

For those who have no idea the power of what we are talking about. FWIW, you can follow the old Copperas logging road back... for miles.

(https://i.imgur.com/UzJyubo.jpg)

And even better, the Adena Meadows. Look at those circles!

(https://i.imgur.com/DtQEp84.jpg)
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: RCKT_RCCN on February 02, 2018, 09:29:05 AM
Is it just me, or does those circles in Adena Meadows almost look like a pictograph of a person??? I can easily see a body, a couple of arms and a leg on the western side. Thoughts??
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: thedayhascome on February 02, 2018, 02:05:11 PM
Is it just me, or does those circles in Adena Meadows almost look like a pictograph of a person??? I can easily see a body, a couple of arms and a leg on the western side. Thoughts??

I definitely saw a figure when I first looked at it as well.
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: ShifuCareaga on February 02, 2018, 03:49:25 PM
The Great Man, aka Squatter Man, aka Wounded Man

A plasma formation seen in the sky around the world. It's a very common archetype, if you google those words. Pretty much the entire world has petroglyphs and pictographs in his shape.

Quote
"[Thomas] Jefferson, who often is referred to as the father of American archaeology, was fascinated with both mastodons and the Ice Age Americans. Unlike Franklin, [speaking about Big Bone Lick, Kentucky], Jefferson was convinced that people lived in the Americas at the same time mastodons were living at Big Bone Lick. His reasoning was based, in part, on an oral tradition of Delaware Indians, which he had recorded firsthand. During the American Revolution, Jefferson had met with a group of Delaware Warriors and asked them, "What happened to the great animal whose bones were found at the salt licks on the Ohio?" A Chief in the group stood up and said,
'In ancient times a herd of these tremendous animals came to the Big Bone Licks, and began a universal destruction of the bear, deer, elks, buffaloes, and other animals which had been created for the use of the Indians; that the Great Man above, looking down and seeing this, was so enraged that he seized his lightning, descended on the Earth, seated himself on a neighboring mountain, on a rock of which his seat and the print of his feet, and hurled his bolts among them till the whole were slaughtered, except the big bull who, presenting his forehead to the shafts, shook them off as they fell; but missing one at length, it wounded him in the side; whereon, springing round, he bounded over the Ohio, over the Wabash, the Illinois, and finally over the great lakes, where he is living at this day.’[sic]” ~In Search of Ice Age Americans, Tankersley, p51-52

Quote
“Consider this account from the Ojibwa, a Native American people: The star with the long, wide tail is going to destroy the world some day when it comes low again. That’s the comet called Long-Tailed Heavenly Climbing Star. It came down here once, thousands of years ago. Just like the sun. It had radiation and burning heat in its tail. The comet burned everything to the ground. There wasn’t a thing left. Indian people were here before that happened, living on the earth. But things were wrong; a lot of people had abandoned the spiritual path. The holy spirit warned them a long time before the comet came. Medicine men told everyone to prepare. Things were wrong with nature on the earth … Then that comet went through here. It had a long, wide tail and it burned up everything. It flew so low the tail scorched the earth … The comet made a different world. After that survival was hard work. The weather was colder than before”
― Graham Hancock, Magicians of the Gods: The Forgotten Wisdom of Earth's Lost Civilization

the comet in effigy (commonly known):
(https://cdn.indiancountrymedianetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/william-romain-survey-map-serpent-mound.jpg)

We have 3 such comet effigy mounds here in KY: Spratt, Boyd, and Lawrence.
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: thedayhascome on February 08, 2018, 02:20:16 PM
Well after spending countless hours trying to integrate LiDAR into CalTopo, RCKT_RCCN finds the easy way. Needless to say, CalTopo supports WMS endpoints and the KY GIS team have been gracious enough to provide the hillshade DEM tilesets from LiDAR in this format.

This is a day/night difference in terms to understanding the underlying terrain. Will be happy to assist anyone interested in adding the KY LiDAR data to their CalTopo profile, just send a PM. Also, kudos again to RCKT_RCCN for discovering the correct format.
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: onemansadventure on April 09, 2018, 11:08:25 PM
If you use BackCountry Navigator, you can import your own base maps from the lidar data.  I know you can to Gaia as well, but I don't know the steps for it as it tricker and I don't use that app anyways.

(http://kywaterfalls.com/dir/images/Screenshot_2018-04-09-23-02-33.png)
In app lidar map
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: AmblingAmos on April 10, 2018, 08:23:36 PM
If you use BackCountry Navigator, you can import your own base maps from the lidar data.  I know you can to Gaia as well, but I don't know the steps for it as it tricker and I don't use that app anyways.


Ok, you have my attention!  I've used BC Navigator for years now and love it. (Why carry a standalone GPS when I carry my phone anyway?)  I've took a couple halfhearted stabs at getting the Lidar data into BC Navigator without any luck.  So far I've been marking interesting Lidar features on BCN and adding a screenshot of the area from ArcGIS to the picture option for the waypoint.  At least I have the point, and the picture of what struck me as interesting.  But, to have the Lidar map downloaded into my phone would be awewsome!

Could you please point me in the right direction to get this to work?
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: ShifuCareaga on April 12, 2018, 12:29:37 AM
funny thing: I'm a former computer engineer and I don't use any of these advanced GPS, lol.

So I am also curious how I can join the 21st century... or rather the 2010s.
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: onemansadventure on April 16, 2018, 09:08:22 AM
AmblingAmos, I use ESRI software, ArcMap.  I download the raw lidar data from the KYAbove websites.  I then process it myself and add lots of other data to it.

So when you download the data, it is just a black and white map, it is not the hillshade (the 3D looking map) that you see on the website linked in this thread.
I process it into a hillshade myself and then create contours at 5' intervals.
I then add other data like trails, roads, streams, and public land boundaries.

Then I export out of ArcMap as a GeoPdf.
You can import the GeoPdf into MapC2Map.
MapC2Map can then export as a .sqlitedb file.
That file can be loaded into BackCountry via the "Prebuilt Map" option.

I am going to sit down and write a guide to the later portion of how to do it all in Map2CMap when I get a chance, but either way you would need to have access to some GIS software to create the map.  There is no way to use the online mapping to create a geo-referenced file to import into Map2CMap.

The files get pretty big, but I will put one together for a small portion of the gorge and post the link to download it here, to give you a taste of what is possible with it.
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: AmblingAmos on April 18, 2018, 08:52:15 PM
Thanks for the reply.  I was hoping it would be much easier than what you describe.  Being a bit of a cartophile, I really need to dive into digital mapping more and figure it all out.  I would love to have a basemap like you describe (Lidar/5ft contour/hillshading/roads) overlaid will all the waypoints and tracks of the Ky Adventure Tourism map, combined with my own waypooints and tracks. 

You mention that the files get a bit large, so I'm curious as to how large.  It wouldn't bother me to have a 128 Gig card in my phone and it be full if it was a map like I described.

I don't have the time to invest in learning about digital mapping software right now, but maybe this winter when things slow down I can give it more attention.
Title: Re: KY LIDAR/KY From Above
Post by: onemansadventure on April 18, 2018, 09:20:40 PM
Amos,

I've printed myself a book that is 80 pages of the maps of the gorge that I made from the Lidar Data.  I worked tonight on starting to put it all together as a BackCountry Navigator map.  5 of those pages are up to 207 megabits in BackCountry.

Here is an example.  I live in Northern Kentucky, so here is the Adair WMA that is located in Boone County:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tVUYN30WBqIwehWXq1Vp8Ab3YNp-jD6f

Download that file to your phone.
Open BackCountry
Click the 3 layer icon up on the top menu
Click "Prebuilt Map"
Click "Browse"
Then find the AdairWMA.sqlitedb file and click on it.
A box will open and hit "Yes" to centering to the map.

Then zoom in and enjoy and see what is possible.