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Title: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Alphagoose on October 22, 2015, 08:44:10 PM
As I mentioned in an earlier post...I am planning on a thru hike of the sheltowee trail. I have no prior experience as far as overnighting it. To be perfectly honest, this is probably a little too much of a hike when you factor in the fact that I am about fifty pounds overweight. Oh well. Go big or go home eh? Anyway, I am going through with the hike. I just weighed my pack, and with everything I need to go at least seven days at a time...my pack weighs exactly 50 pounds. I have shed as much as I feel comfortable. Can I get some opinions on a 50 pound pack? Is this somewhat middle ground? If I meet ten other experienced hikers along the trail, who are also doing a thru hike...if I were to weigh everyone's pack...will mine likely be the heaviest? Or just average? I realize this is a question without a definitive answer, and the pack weight is somewhat relative to the size of the hiker. I would just like opinions on your personal preferences. What would your pack weigh if you were the one doing this hike?
Thanks for the help...AG
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: wsp_scott on October 22, 2015, 09:11:10 PM
I have never done a thru hike and never done a trip longer than 5 nights, so take that into consideration. With that said, if I was hiking in the summer or early fall, my pack would weigh no more than 30 pounds for 7 days/6 nights. I would figure ~1.5 pounds of food per day and I would not plan on carrying much water (no dry camps if possible) hopefully never more than 2 liters.

Does your 50 pounds include food and water? Clothes? All the little things that quickly add up?

It would be helpful if you posted your gear (with weights), someone might have some suggestions for you. It is probably possible to shed some more weight without impinging too much on comfort. I'll happily provide some suggestions.

Also, if you are going to end up carrying 50 pounds, you need to start practicing well ahead of time.
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Mark W on October 22, 2015, 09:39:03 PM
I'll try to comment at length in the future, but I would suggest that you really give full consideration to what you're planning and the weight of your gear and your physical conditioning. You should make sure you're able to enjoy the trip -- not merely survive it.

The following is one of my favorite quotes about backpacking/the outdoors and worth taking to heart:

"We do not go to the green woods and crystal waters to rough it, we go to smooth it.
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Bazinga on October 23, 2015, 06:29:25 AM
I'm a day hiker (and a woman), but a 50lb pack seems awful heavy.  I guess it's whatever you're used to.  I would try a mile or two hike with your full pack & see how it feels. 
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: genes on October 23, 2015, 08:43:57 AM
50 lbs is way too heavy.  I know of no one who carries 50 lbs on backpacking trips.  I haven't through hiked the ST but have been on many extended backpacking trips over the last 35 years.  Pack weight in the winter months is always heavier because of winter clothing, heavier sleeping bag, stove fuel, additional food and possibly a heavier tent.  My winter packs usually weigh about 30-35 lbs, total.  For summer and fall packing, I try to stay in the under 30 lb range.   Water is one of the heaviest things you will be carrying and fortunately water resupply on the ST is normally not an issue.

Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Alphagoose on October 23, 2015, 09:49:53 AM
Wow.. thanks a lot. I weighed my clothes and not including what I have on...they weigh 6.1 pounds. My food weighs 7.0 pounds. My sleep bag along with my tent weigh 10.3. This is an obsessive- compulsive's nightmare. (Combing through my gear trying to shed weight) lol..I have a camp axe that weighs 2.1 pounds. Its getting the cut. I got a couple cans of cook fuel. Perhaps I will cut my fuel in half, then resupply. This evening when I get in I will lay everything out and try to shed some more weight. Thanks again
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: KYhiker40 on October 23, 2015, 02:56:41 PM
Tent + sleeping bag = 10 lbs.  How much does your pack itself weigh when empty?  These are the "big 3" in backpacking that make up the bulk of your weight.  With some details we might be able to find ways to trim some pounds in this area.

You can also trim some clothing weight.  You just don't need that much clothing.  Only take clothing items that you can multitask with.  For example, your rain jacket doubles as a windbreaker for unexpected cool weather.  You only need 1 spare pair of socks & underwear, washing them in a gallon zip lock bag and drying on your pack as you hike.  You need very little spare clothing other than this.

Take a look at your clothing layering system.  For me, the only difference in fall and winter hiking is that I include my Patagonia Down Jacket in the winter.  I also wear my rain jacket as an outer layer frequently in the winter in the cool early morning hours.  Short sleeve base layer, long sleeve polyester or wool, down jacket, fleece jacket, rain jacket.  I had this exact setup in my bag last night with the exception of the down jacket and it won't change in winter.

Watch your food.  You want to get 120 calories per ounce of food.  You can't afford food weight.

All the add on items are something to look at for sure.  How many light sources are your bringing?  What sort of fire starter?  What's in that emergency kit/first aid kit? What about "bath/personal" items?  (are you wasting lbs with deodorant, etc?)

In my opinion you need to shed 20 pounds off that pack.  I wanted to say 25, but I'm considering that your "big 3" are heavier than normal.

Personally, I would expect to carry about 20 lbs plus food & water.  Maybe 22 pounds if you carry luxury items like an iPod. 



Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: hungrybear on October 23, 2015, 04:28:00 PM
My pack for a one or two night trip is usually right at 30 pounds with everything (Food, fuel, clothes, tent, Sleeping bag)  When I did the longer three night trip in the Roan Highlands, I think the extra food weight bumped me up to 35 pounds or so.

KYHiker40 is exactly right to focus on the big three items because it is really easy to shed some weight there.  Tent, Sleeping bag, and Pack.  My 20 degree Cosmic Kelty sleeping bag was only $130. It replaced my old military surplus sleeping bag and saved me a staggering 5 pounds.

I would also recommend weighing everything and making a list. My gear is constantly being tweaked.  Part of the the process is just trial and error; learning what works for YOU. 

You might enjoy the trip more in the long run if you do a couple of shorter 15 mile weekend trips to get your "trail legs" and to help square away your gear.

Here is my gear list I made a while back in case it helps someone....

http://files.meetup.com/12832512/CHADS_GEAR_LIST.pdf
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Alphagoose on October 23, 2015, 09:41:21 PM
Thanks...
Okay. The big three----my pack is a kelty redcloud 90.............5 lbs, 9oz
                                       Sleep bag is marmot trestles 30...........3 lb, 3oz
                                       My tent is a eureka midori.....................5 lb, 9oz
The total of my big three is 14 pounds, 5 ounces. As far as clothing I had first off, the clothes on my body, and in my pack I have 3 spare pair of wool socks, an extra pair of pants, a fleece sweater, tobogan, and two pair of underwear (boxers), along with top and bottom long underwear and my down jacket. I have minimal toiletries. A small bar of soap, half used small tube of toothpaste and a toothbrush that I sawed in half to save weight. My fire kit contains a 6 pack of SOL fire starters. (They are very light) I have some cheap academy sports brand firestarters that are much heavier. I have nearly a dozen of those and two BIC lighters. I shed some weight earlier by dropping the amount of duct tape by about 90 percent. I stripped batteries, and two small cans of sterno and a ball of trot line. In total I knocked off right around 4 pounds. My pack is 46.2 pounds right now. As far as flashlights, I have two small clip lights that could hook on your shirt pocket an a solar (ultralight) tent light. I cut my 4(AA) cell last week. Its bright but crazy heavy. I appreciate the advice. I am going to cut some clothing. I still haven't cut my estwing hatchet. Its 2.1 pounds. I will if necessary, but its a last resort.
Thanks again guys and gals
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Captain Blue on October 23, 2015, 10:18:57 PM
You'll enjoy the hike much more if you go with a lighter pack. You still have many pounds to shed. There is an old adage that goes ... Less On Is Good .... More On is, well, Moron. I thru hiked the Sheltowee Trace in 2012. I don't recall going a whole week between resupply points. Resupply more often if you can. Mail unneeded gear home while in town resupplying.
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: hungrybear on October 23, 2015, 10:33:01 PM
I have an osprey aether 60 Liter pack.  I found that if I un-clipped the top pocket and left it at the house, it would save me a half a pound and it also encouraged me to pack less.  My Osprey is comfortable and I like it but there are much lighter options out there like a ULA OHM or a used GoLight Jam. 

Two pounds is a lot of weight for a hatchet.  I have found that at the end of a long day hiking, I often don't feel like gathering fire-wood.  When I do, I almost always have been able to get by with wood that I can break by hand or against the ground. 
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Alphagoose on October 23, 2015, 11:01:42 PM
I am thinking that my fire kit is an area that can be cut. I don't have scales to weigh sub-2lbs, but what type of fire kits are you guys taking? Perhaps I am overdoing it..
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: KYhiker40 on October 24, 2015, 07:43:25 AM
For fire I carry a zip lock bag of dryer lint, a pack of matches, and a lighter.  If I'm expecting wet weather I will gather small dry sticks from rock shelters or overhangs along my hike.  If necessary I can use my pocket knife to strip the outer wet bark.  My fire kit probably weighs less than 1 oz.

Your pack & tent are the big issues contributing to the weight total.  Looking online, the tent's "pack weight" is listed at 4 lb 14 oz.  If you are carrying a gear loft or a footprint, I'd ditch those items and save weight.  You can use a trimmed down garbage bag or painters cloth as a footprint for 1/2 the ounces of a commercially purchased foot print.  I'm not sure what types of tent stakes you are using, but you can purchase ultralight stakes for very little money if it helps.  Also look at the carry bag for the tent.  If you replace the original carry bag with a stuff sack it'll probably save you 3 or 4 oz.  All those ounces add up quick.  Keep in mind the phrase "ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain!"

The Kelty Redcloud 90 is a heavy pack for sure and 90 liters is more room than you'll need for sure. The top lid is removable, so ditch it to save a few more ounces and resist the temptation of extra gear.  There are front pockets on the hip belt for quick access to gear while hiking, so the top lid convenience becomes less of a consideration anyhow.

On the hatchet, you won't want it.  I have one, have taken it on a few trips and also regretted having the weight.  That's 2 pounds you can easily save.

Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: wsp_scott on October 24, 2015, 10:02:06 AM
Don't take the hatchet, it is too heavy and if you end up with a >30 pound pack you will be too tired to build a fire  :)  You will enjoy your trip a lot more if you have a much lighter pack.

If you really want something to process firewood get this http://www.amazon.com/Coghlans-8400-Sierra-Saw/dp/B000LC2PO6/ it weighs less than 1/2 pound

Why sterno? If you just want to be able to start a fire, something like Esbit is easy http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Degree-Smokeless-Backpacking-Camping/dp/B0000WR6W8

It would be even easier (lighter) to not plan on having a fire at all.

You say your food weighs 7 pounds, for how many days? Most people average about 1.2 - 1.5  pounds of food a day and that is if they really work at cutting weight. 7 pounds of "normal" food would be enough calories for ~3 days of hiking.

You should spend a little time reading some of the forums at backpackinglight.com and the posts at sectionhiker.com
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Alphagoose on October 24, 2015, 08:57:03 PM
Thanks for the great info. People are even looking my equipment up themselves. I appreciate the effort. Okay I now feel a little more at ease with cutting my fire kit. And you guys have convinced me...the hatchet is staying home. I been really busy and getting in after dark lately...so I haven't had time to comb through my pack and make those changes...but as soon as I do I will post the new pack weight. The sterno is staying home as well. I thought about it a lot lately and I do understand the point many of you made. The whole point of this is for it to be enjoyable. The comforts of home aren't what makes it enjoyable...but perhaps the absence of those will help me better appreciate the actual "hike" itself. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Alphagoose on October 25, 2015, 12:00:59 AM
Okay I just weighed my pack and now I'm coming in at 37 pounds and that is not including water. So in total I'm looking at roughly 41 or 42 pounds. I trimmed 8 pounds. Not bad. Still think I can go even lower.
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: KYhiker40 on October 25, 2015, 06:01:44 AM
Okay I just weighed my pack and now I'm coming in at 37 pounds and that is not including water. So in total I'm looking at roughly 41 or 42 pounds. I trimmed 8 pounds. Not bad. Still think I can go even lower.

I love it!  Now look at your gear and ask if you are carrying any gear that can double purpose and replace another piece of gear in your bag.  We've already discussed using a rain jacket as a wind breaker, but that is a good example.  Spare socks as mittens to sleep in is an easy one.  Did you include a lighter or matches in both your cook kit and fire kit?  Are you a repair kit?  I used to carry one on every trip then realized that my duct tape & a small tube of super glue was about all I needed.  Plus the super glue doubles to stop bleeding.

Are you carrying a bowl in your cook kit?  If so, eating directly out of FREEZER bags provides much easier clean up and you can add boiling water directly to a freezer bag for cooking/rehydrating foods. (Has to be freezer bags... not regular storage bags.)  This works great for cooking breakfast, then carrying the freezer bag all day in your gear pocket for your daily trash accumulation.

How about a guide book?  I can see where it would be tempting to carry a Sheltowee guide book.  If so, you can rip that book into sections and put each section in your resupply packages as you need them.  Burn the used pages or ship them back home.

We didn't discuss the sleep pad.  These can be crazy heavy as well.  If you don't have an ultralight sleep pad, that's an easy upgrade.  I picked up a Thermarest ultralight sleep pad for about $60(?) earlier this year.  Outstanding investment.  Super light, packs tiny, and the comfort level is ridiculous.  I don't use it a lot because I usually hammock camp, but when I do it's super comfy.

Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: KYhiker40 on October 25, 2015, 06:13:02 AM
I just saw this, for the price one heck of a deal.  Not sure of your desire to spend some cash to make this trip more enjoyable, but if you have a hundred burning a hole in your pocket, maybe take a look, save over 3 pounds.

https://www.campmor.com/c/mountainsmith-mountain-shelter-lt
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Alphagoose on October 25, 2015, 08:35:01 PM
Who would've though that trimming my pack weight could be so fun. Well, kyhiker40...I have an aqua quest guide silnylon tarp that could double as a tent. I don't know if I am ready to take that leap. I contemplated my tarp with a hammock. That would be great, but I just dont know. I am apprehensive about taking that leap now that November is probably going to turn off cold. But as I had said before..I am not new to the outdoors...but I am new to the camping in the woods for a month n November. Maybe my worries aren't warranted. I have put my faith in the members on this site. So, if its something you all would advise...the tent will stay home. Just keep in mind that I have my dog going along with me. He is about 50 pounds, lean, and short haired. As far as a guide book, I am not taking it. I am however taking a map for half the trail...then will resupply with the other half when I need it. The freezer bag and boiling water...awesome. at least one cook pot is getting the cut. Well, I am getting ready to dump my pack and try to shed some more weight. I will post the weight. Thanks so much for all of the advice everyone. What's the verdict on the hammock vs tent.?
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Alphagoose on October 25, 2015, 08:37:04 PM
And I have a thermorest  Sleep pad. Its very light.
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: KYhiker40 on October 26, 2015, 08:02:00 AM
I ditched the tent a few years ago and it was a great decision.  I've hammock'd in some extreme thunderstorms with never a drop of water issues.  That being said, I think using a hammock is something that should be decided on a few shorter trips before making that leap on a thru hike such as this.  There were details that I worked out on how I like to hammock camp that took several trips to work out, probably a dozen nights total.  I wouldn't have wanted to be on an extended hike learning that process, without access to extra gear at home to make adjustments between trips.

That being said, I would have no concerns about the temperature when hammock camping in November.  I've hammock'd down to 7 deg F without any issues.  Picking the proper camp site and setting up a proper fire that provides heat throughout the night can actually make sleeping in a hammock downright toasty in cold weather.

Actually, with bugs not being an issue in November, you could just tarp it.
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Alphagoose on October 26, 2015, 09:02:44 AM
Thanks kyhiker40. That's a big step...for me to leave my tent behind, and pack a tarp only. A lot for me to consider. But I tried my pack on without the tent strapped to it, and it made a huge difference. What about rain? Wouldn't the ground eventually become saturated if its raining all around my tarp? I know location and tarp hanging technique would play a big role...but even in prime conditions it seems like the dry ground under me would act like a sponge and dampen rather quickly.
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: KYhiker40 on October 26, 2015, 01:24:03 PM
Let me first say that I'm not comfortable recommending that someone with very little tarp experience go on a month long hike with only a tarp.  There are certainly techniques to be learned to keep dry in wet conditions.  But, you are experienced in the outdoors and seem to be willing to do what is necessary to learn, so for the sake of discussion I wanted to at least bring it up.

I mention the tarp as an option to accompany the hammock.  If you get out the hammock camping and decide for whatever reason it isn't your favorite, then you have the tarp as a fall back option.  I sometimes will sleep a couple nights in a hammock and then a 3rd night on the ground under a tarp, for various reasons.

As far as rain and ground saturation.  It really isn't an issue.  You'd probably carry a footprint for your tent, which becomes a ground cloth when you just use a tarp.  The only real difference is the bug netting that is included in the fabric of a tent.  Granted you don't have tent poles, but learning to pitch a tarp isn't difficult.  You could learn a few techniques with just a couple hours practice in the back yard.  There is a huge community of thru hikers who only use a tarp.  So long as you don't set your tarp up in an area that is prone to water run off, you are fine.

I was thinking you could use the hammock in wet weather to get off the ground and camp comfort, then on dry cold nights set up the tarp near a long fire.  I figure you'll probably be carrying a sleep pad either way, so regardless of if you put the sleep pad on the tent floor, inside the hammock, or on the ground, that weight is the same.

Bottom line, if you enjoy tarp only camping, you can send the hammock back home at a resupply point.  If tarp only isn't your thing, then you can hammock/tarp.

Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: KYhiker40 on October 26, 2015, 01:30:05 PM
For what its worth, here is my tarp:
http://www.shop.backpackingadventuregear.com/Special-8x10-Silnylon-Tarp-Autumn-Special-8x10-tarp.htm

At 14oz, that's about as light weight of a shelter as you will get.  Plus, the entire tarp just stuffs into a tiny attached stuff sack, which makes camp break down extremely quick.  It's about the size of your fist and the stuff sack is plenty big enough to include paracord for a ridge line & tie outs.  It's a little pricey, but I think the price is worth the ease of use.
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Alphagoose on October 26, 2015, 02:03:57 PM
I haven't even started hiking and I am excited about the idea of tarp/hammock camping. Apprehensive-nervous-anxious...you bet. But the thought of leaving my tent behind is somewhat of a scary proposition. But man, it's exciting. If you asked me a week ago if I would go without a tent I would've laughed. I am giving it very serious consideration. My biggest concern was my dog. I just don't want him wet and cold all night. I have a footprint made me house wrap. Tyvek. It isn't fully waterproof though. There are two types ad tyvek that I am aware of, and mine is like I tightly woven yard tarp. I can work that out though. It's a lot to think about and a short time to make up my mind. I just am gonna have to look for a better footprint. I don't want to spend $150 bucks on a full roll of house wrap just for 40 square feet. Thanks everyone. Thanks kyhiker40. I am gonna look around for something to use for a footprint and at hammocks.  That will be my deciding factor.
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: KYhiker40 on October 26, 2015, 07:15:32 PM
I'd highly recommend the Eno Double Nest hammock.  For the price you won't beat the comfort.  You definetely want a Double Nest and not a single nest, as you will want the space to stretch out.  I'm only 5'10 and the single was a bit tight and sometimes gave me leg cramps.  Don't get to caught up on the suspension system debates.  Just get the straps that Eno offers and you'll be fine.

For a ground sheet, no reason to go crazy.  I've used a piece of painters plastic cut to an 6x8 size for a couple years now and it is still kicking.   I cut it to 6x8 so it would double as an emergency backup tarp if needed.  I think I paid a couple dollars for the original plastic sheet.

As far as the dog, in my experience the dog will probably curl up next to you at night.  When I take my dog I just tie it off to a stake so I don't have to worry about it running off.  My dog sleeps in my hammock, but yours will be to big.  You should probably carry a spare piece of closed cell foam pad.  I'd suggest cutting one that is 3x3, just big enough for the dog and small enough to use as a sit pad around camp if the ground/stumps are wet.

This is exciting. 
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: Alphagoose on October 26, 2015, 10:16:24 PM
That is exactly the type of hammock I just picked up. An Eno double nest hammock. I seen the displays but haven't even opened mine up yet. I assumed it came with straps. I'll have to check. Will paracord work?  My dog is decent sized, but I have a feeling he will try to sleep in the hammock with me. If not I have a sun shield thing for a car...it's very light and is made of reflective Mylar. Kinda like a solar blanket. I am 5'11", so I should be fine. Don't know if I will weigh pack tonight and repost...I an exhausted. I got in at around 9.30 tonight. Anyway...will post weight probably tomorrow. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: KYhiker40 on October 27, 2015, 10:54:57 AM
I doubt the hammock came with straps.  Mine didn't.  I've used paracord, but it tends to stretch.  If you do use paracord, take 2 pieces of cord and thread them around each other.  Then add a few figure 8 loops into the cord every foot or so, which will create attachment points for the hammock and help to reduce stretching.

That solar blanket will tend to accumulate a lot of moisture from condensation.  It will work, but I wouldn't use it in the hammock, despite internet claims.  Been there.  Done that.  Woke up with a wet sleeping bag.  A closed cell foam pad from Walmart costs just a few dollars and won't accumulate condensation.  Cut it down to size.



Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: r.grider on July 11, 2016, 02:07:54 AM
Tent ,sleeping bag, and a pad should be around 5#, you need better gear. My pack for 5 days or so is around 30#. I read once all the successfull thru hikers of the AT kept pack weights under 30#, so its what I strived for. If you ever considered carrying a 2 # camp axe, then you def need to read up on ultra-lite back packing. You will learn to shave ounces, anything like a camp axe or big knife is tottally out of the question. A multitool will take care of all needs, one can of fuel is plenty, if you use that up, eat cold food, it wont kill you. All food needs to be dehydrated, and carry only enough water to get to the next source(carry purifier) I only took the clothes I wore, plus change of socks,underclothes. If you get wet, you just keep walking to stay warm, then keep a dry change of underclothes to sleep in.
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: thedayhascome on November 01, 2016, 12:02:39 PM
I happened to catch this post, and couldn't help but to comment from reading and summarizing all of the statements above since this is something that I struggled with about 7 years ago. I battled with a pack that was probably 30+lbs while hiking the Knobstone Trail and it obliterated my knees. That very moment, I made a commitment to myself that I would never haul heavy, unnecessary gear again.

Since then, I've changed my mindset to truly take only the necessities and have worked to either purchase or make my own lighter gear. This approach certainly isn't for everyone, but I don't feel burdened down with gear that I simply was not using. It does require an investment in both time and money to slowly whittle away at your overall base pack weight.

As for shelter, sleep and first-aid - those are the three big things where there is a fine line that any one person can walk, and it certainly takes experience and refining your gear over time. All the while taking in the type of terrain, as well as understanding your own physical and mental fitness.

I have found sites like https://lighterpack.com (https://lighterpack.com) extremely helpful in weighing and reducing individual pieces of gear. This is the critical step one must take to truly start weighing and judging each piece of gear. You can't simply weigh your entire pack, because you lose perspective of each item. Does your tent weigh 4lbs.? Can you afford a new, lighter one? Probably not. Possibly invest in a lightweight tarp? Are you comfortable with a tarp or are bugs severe in the area that you are hiking. Are you happy with the performance of the tent and accept that, then look elsewhere to find ways to cut weight? These are all questions you must ask yourself with every item. It's monotonous and OCD, but it truly is the only way to severely drop extra weight.

The main problem that I have with the hiking/camping industry is that not only is most every piece of gear expensive, it's also heavy and bulky when it simply does not have to be that way. DIY and MYOG (Make Your Own Gear) often solve both of these problems and connect you with your kit and what you have in your backpack in a new way. Tents, Sleeping Bags and Sleeping mats are always the biggest offenders and claim some of the heaviest weights and volume in a pack. Starting there and investing in durable, lightweight gear is my recommendation to anyone trying to drop their base weight.

So, now that that's out of the way, you can get to a very lightweight 3-season setup. I have done it and I have never been more comfortable with being outdoors and being connected with my surroundings. The feeling of carrying only a 12lb pack w/ food and water for a 3-day trip is awesome.

Happy to provide more details if anyone is interested.

Cheers and happy trails.
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: r.grider on August 25, 2017, 11:25:00 PM
If you have a 3 day pack down to 12#, im definately intrested in hearing what you have to say ! I would be happy to get mine to twice that !
Title: Re: Pack weight...advice
Post by: thedayhascome on August 28, 2017, 09:40:01 AM
If you have a 3 day pack down to 12#, im definately intrested in hearing what you have to say ! I would be happy to get mine to twice that !

Yes, my base weight without food or water for a 3-day trip is right under 7 pounds. Below is a link that lists all base gear and food (consumable weight). You will see the total pack weight start at 17.5lbs with all worn clothing, gear, food and water. Removing the clothing puts the pack at 13lbs. This includes a 10' 8.5' tarp, sleeping bag, mat, hammock, and gear for the dog as well.

Every item in my backpack, individually weighed: https://lighterpack.com/r/c6311a (https://lighterpack.com/r/c6311a)

I have spent nearly 8 years refining my gear, so it does take time to test what works and what does not. I continue to invest in lighter gear as it's released, and the cycle continues to repeat itself. I sell a lot of my gently used gear on Craigslist to help fund the obsession. Cheers!

Happy to help answer questions or provide some insight based on your setup.

(http://i.imgur.com/bHHLFAr.jpg)