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Title: Coming in late........
Post by: owl on October 03, 2002, 10:40:03 PM
Hi all!

Whenever I roll into the Gorge, I always get in late - around midnight. I used to go to the end of Tunnel Ridge Road and find a spot not far from there and hunker 'til daylight. Now that the road no longer goes that far (atleast as I understand) what can I do if I'm getting in late? Any of you folks have any good ideas?



Thanks for any help!

Owl
Title: Re: Coming in late........
Post by: RWillieK on October 04, 2002, 01:24:08 AM
road side or miguels
Title: Re: Coming in late........
Post by: timbros on October 04, 2002, 12:10:21 PM
You could camp near the road on 9A or 9B.
Title: Re: Coming in late........
Post by: owl on October 04, 2002, 07:52:36 PM
Forgive me; 9A, 9B, Miguel's, Roadside? :-[

I'm not familiar with these?  :Pcan anyone explain?

Thanks again,
Owl
Title: Re: Coming in late........
Post by: Redbeard on October 04, 2002, 09:45:53 PM
If Koomer Ridge campground has vacancies you could always setup there.  Koomer Ridge has a fee, doesn't it?

There used to be a group campground; it's just beyond the Nada tunnel, cross the bridge and take an immediate left on to a gravel road, follow it till you hit pavement again and then take a right into the group campgound.  That's how I recall it from years ago.  

Do you have topo maps?  
Title: Re: Coming in late........
Post by: timbros on October 07, 2002, 12:26:07 PM
Forest Road 9A and 9B.

When you cross the 1st Iron Bridge (right by Ravens Rock) Turn Left instead of Right.  Follow the road a couple of miles, and you will see a forest service road on the right.  Follow it, and there are places to camp near the road.  That road splits giving you two options (9A and 9B).

I used to camp there sometimes when I came into the area late.  
Title: Re: Coming in late........
Post by: Trekker_Forrest on October 07, 2002, 01:41:19 PM
Park at the Grays Arch trailhead. Walk down the trail to the intersection where the right goes to Grays Arch and the left goes down to Martins Fork. Go left. You'll walk a very short distance and the trail will start sharply descending. Don't go down. Instead, work you way to the right along the sharp ridge. There is a trail, but in the dark you'll have to look close to find it. Anyway, you'll come out on Harrison Point, a fine campsite about big enough for two tents and a fire. Come morning, you'll wake to a great view of Martins Valley and various cliff faces. Just be careful because it's a long way down in three directions. You are also high above the nearest water source, so bring plenty of your own.
Title: Re: Coming in late........
Post by: timbros on October 11, 2002, 02:03:07 PM
TF,

Question about Harrison Point and other Cliff top locations......The statement in question regarding the rockhouse closure issued by NFS says:

"1. Camping within 100 feet of the base of any cliff, or the back of any rockshelter."

If the top of the cliff is less than 100ft from the base would it be considered illegal to camp there?  I know Harrison Point is less than 100 ft from the base of the cliff (not that it will stop me from camping there...)
Title: Re: Coming in late........
Post by: cincyhiker on October 13, 2002, 02:04:38 PM
It's also within 300 ft. of a trail, since Martin Fork trail winds around about 50 ft. below Harrison Point.
Title: Re: Coming in late........
Post by: Trekker_Forrest on October 14, 2002, 01:44:07 AM
Since I lead student groups all the time, I had to clarify this a few years ago when they issued the directive you're referring to. I have a letter from the Forest Service which states it's adjacency and accessibility they're concerned about. They don't want the campsite adjacent and accessible to a trail, cliff base or rockshelter. Harrison Point is on a different, nonadjacent and nonaccessible plane, so it is not in violation. They know who I am and what I do, they have my address, E Mail and phone number, we are in contact periodically over various matters, the same people are there now who were there several years ago, and no one has ever informed me the ruling has changed. I therefore assume it has not and act accordingly.  

 
Title: Re: Coming in late........
Post by: timbros on October 14, 2002, 12:24:38 PM
I hear ya, but that's not what it says.......

http://www.r8web.com/boone/SODB-12-03-00.htm

Of course like I said before, it's not gonna stop me from camping there.
Title: Re: Coming in late........
Post by: Trekker_Forrest on October 15, 2002, 02:12:29 AM
Timbros : It's the intent of the law that counts. They're trying to protect the rock shelters. To avoid doubts, they want people away from all cliff bases.  They are not concerned about the tops of cliffs or the plateaus extending back from them.  The 100 feet is not a vertical measurement; it is a horizantal measurement.  As usual, their wording is poor, but over time they have made their intent clear.
Title: Re: Coming in late........
Post by: timbros on October 15, 2002, 01:20:09 PM
TF,

You are correct.  I called and they confirmed.  You can camp on top of cliffs even if they are less than 100ft from the base of cliffs.  I guess that's what you get when you actually read what they post on their website.......
Title: Re: Coming in late........
Post by: Cliftyman on October 15, 2002, 04:01:32 PM
Cool I like camping on top of cliffs, that way I can get up in the middle of the night and whiz off the side!  :-*